Support Local Music

Now that WMC is over we can finally talk about some real issues. Today I have only one I want to discuss: Showing Love & Paying For It.

Sometimes I like to refer to my hometown here as the "City of Entitlement." Yes, we Miamians think we are entitled to everything - running red lights, being blatantly rude on purpose, not using our blinkers, expecting the most expedient service at all times, cutting off folks during rush hour at S. Bayshore and SW 17th Ave., not giving anyone the time of day unless they can offer you something in return for your attention, and the list goes on. One item of interest I want to focus on today since this is a music and nightlife site is the concept of paying for musical events, especially local ones.

It seems that most people who go out on a regular basis expect to get into every event for free. As someone who has been a local DJ, musician, and promoter I have heard and experienced almost every possible reason for this incessant freeloading. "I know the band/DJ", "I am on THE LIST", "I slept with the promoter", "The bartender is my brother", "I write for blah blah blog" , "and my ultimate favorite "I always come here." Some of these are credible reasons to be comped at an event (see 1st and 2nd). The rest... fuck off.

I don't think you realize just how much work goes into producing and/or performing at an event. I'll spare you most of the details but while you are still taking your Friday afternoon disco nap these folks are hard at work setting up, sound checking, etc. for that evening. Oh, let us not forget the fact that bands (and the better DJs) rehearse for hours at a time, weeks in advance to properly entertain you. Yes they are working for YOU! Why not pay them and/or the people who organized the event? Why don't you go to your job, work all day and not get paid... how glorious would that be?

Some of my friends come into town and are ready to fork over cash for any cover if they want to go out, just like they are used to in their city. Maybe that explains why our music scene is taking so long to flourish. When you get paid, you can work hard at producing music for your audience without having to work at La Caretta to make ends meet . It kind of makes sense when you think about it. 

While this paradigm works negatively on local music in the city, the same goes for national acts. Ask yourself why promoters won't gamble on an act that costs a pretty penny to bring down? Ready: Probably because you will refuse to pay the cover for you most likely think that you are entitled to go see said act, because you're YOU! WTF? 

So my fiends, in conclusion: When you look around in the future  and you find yourself asking where all the great producers of local music have gone in Miami you can probably look at cities to the north. And when you ask yourself why they still aren't around to entertain your penurious self, all you have to do is look at that cleverly marketed American Apparel T-shirt you have on and say... "now I know."

C.R.E.A.M. >Dolla, Dolla Bills Y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Agree but don't agree, if that makes sense. I truly believe tit-for-tat and a lot a venues/promoters are willing to accept tit but in return look at you crazy when you ask them back for tat. It's all a delicate balance.
Ghost of Miami Nights Past
"I write for blah blah blog"

I know you ain't talking about dis blog biatch! :)
pop lock and drop it
I think the promoter needs to consider the opposite. If they're bringing down a medium sized act, say Pharaoh MonKKK, is there enough of an audience to pay the bills at $30/head? Most local music fans are fairly young until you break into the huge acts, can they spare $30 for a 90 minute show? What about if you charged $10? Three times more people?

In addition, in some cases I don't think the finances can ever make sense. I would love to bring E40 but there just aren't enough hyphy individuals in Miami to justify the incredible costs.
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Lackner: It's Pharoahe Monch....As for the post I have to agree with CNTRL that when a promoter brings down an act bills need to be paid. Granted we took a hit on our Anniversary party but had promoting and hosting events been our main source of income we would want to make that cost back, and some.
I am the eggman
I mean it's obvious that they need to make their money back, but that doesn't magically mean people need to give them money to make it happen. It's a business, and if you can't get customers who will pay the bills, it's time to reevaluate your business; you can't reevaluate the customers. It sucks to pay a fortune to bring down an act and not make any money in return (ahem) but the blame for that rests solely on the person whose idea it was to bring down that act in the first place.
pop lock and drop it
I am talking about the attitude of the general patron-public not the risk-taking of promoters. It's the atittudes of the patrons that need to be re-evaluated. Lacker said, "I mean it's obvious that they need to make their money back, but that doesn't magically mean people need to give them money to make it happen. It's a business, and if you can't get customers who will pay the bills, it's time to reevaluate your business."-But the premise of willfully exchanging money for ANY good(any musical act) is out of the question with most folks from miami. Revolver could bring back Nirvana from the dead and people(who would die to go) would still only value it if they get in for free. People need to get thier priorities straight. Conclusion...if you put effort into producing an event and put it on the market, patrons who want to attend the event should pay. Otherwise a person with that "I don't have to pay" attitude is advocating stealing. No one owes you anything unless you worked on the event in some manner.

People Should Quote Themselves...
On the flip, a promoter who doesn't keep a core group of people close to him and his list won't have a core group for long.

Ahh, what a shitty industry to be in. :)
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Everyone loves something for free. And the reason I think people have this air of importance about them, especially in the hipster world, is because there are so many small niches in Miami. People feel they belong to them and deserve benefits as a result. They feel like an intricate piece of the "movement" and therefor are entitled to the status of "comp4eva".
I am the eggman
I swear I'm on the list. Let me check my text messages.
here's what's hilarious about the miami scene. . . cats will pay $15 for a shot of grey goose that cost the club $3, but they won't pay $15 to see a dj that cost $4,000 to bring in and will totally make their night. that shit's crazy.
What movement?
People Should Quote Themselves...
the struggling "hipster/indie" "movement"
I am the eggman
How does having real bad taste in clothes>hair cuts that look like your little sister was playing beauty salon>and thinking you are cooler-than- thou constitute a movement?

Steve Akoi must be their leader.



People Should Quote Themselves...
I come here every weekend! I know the DJ! I sent him a text message before 5pm. He's on my top 8.
A movement is what you make of it. What guidelines have to be full filed to compromise one?
I am the eggman
I think the movement moved on a while ago. As soon as I saw the rehashed rave scene movement came back (barely a decade has passed) it seems the indie culture has run out of ideas.

Everybody is indie. The new indie will be not to be indie. Major labels are going to make a come back... you watch.
I'm going to beat your asses if you keep arguing about this.

with my white belt.
pop lock and drop it
The new recent comments thing makes it so much easier to argue. So I'll blame it on you.
what have i donneeee
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Chris, you should start throwing raves for free to teach indie kids how to really dance again.

Neon cowbells on strings.
People Should Quote Themselves...
yea. indie kids need to dance better. for REAL

ill confess to never wanting to pay. in fact im getting better at it every month. this twisted nightlife is my escape and i should always be on the list for it.

i do believe in a balance, and will happily pay for acts i want to see (of montral for example) not these haircuts on cdj`s that think hitting the flanger effects make them good djs @ their uber cool weekly party.

why pay $10 cover (15 sometimes just for being male) to listen to 2 good songs an hour. i need that money to get me wasted.
agreed...if it's just a couple of wack DJs spinning tired as records, who may be able to mix then they owe YOU money for listening to them practice.

I've been arguing for the sake of real musicians(good DJs are musicians)getting paid for their effort.

People Should Quote Themselves...
Under 21, you have to pay, it's that simple. The club does not make any money off of you otherwise. Kids have no cash, and they usually sneak a flask in or whatever.

Over 21, comp is fine, since a smart venue will get you at the bar anyway. Obviously big acts, there's a cover, but for normal nights, comp the 21+ and get them at the bar. No cover till 1 AM works for a lot of places. Pack them in, and then get them spending at the bar. They feel like they're still getting a deal.
Before I get some heat...these are general broad statements with some specific examples. This does not apply to everyone. I apologize in advance for my poor grammar or if I hurt anyones feelings.

Reasons this scene is heartbreaking…
1. A majority of smart/tasteful people leave this town and we are left with greedy/cheesy people spearheading this scene/movement. (With the exception of Lolo from Sweat, Poplife Crew, Miami Music Guide, and some of the underground hip hop promoters, like Jake from Money Shot)

2.Folks (Patrons and Promoters) down here are too self conscious and really only care on how they look or how much social clout they seem to have in this silly town. Shallowness and materialism has reached a new high. They don't care for quality, they care for appearance.

4. The conflicting point is you are dealing with materialistic kids who would rather waste their money on designer clothes rather than spend money at a club or pay to see local talent. (Their was a time that indie music was about the outsider, not trying to be an MTV fashion victim) Additionally, most of these kids don't go to these nights for the love of music, they go to do some blow, get drunk, and hopefully get laid.

5. Most patrons do not appreciate Local Talent...until they leave town and make it big somewhere else, or if they are so "cute" it doesn’t matter if they don’t have any talent (ala Ryan Evans). This was especially seen during conference, someone like Aoki comes to town and people wet their pants, in the meantime you have Matt Cash spinning the same type of records (even better that Aoki), and people claim that his sets are too "housey". Guess what assholes, Aoki is spinning hipster house… and Matt Cash and DJ Saul Himself were doing it way before Revolver jumped on the neo-indie-dance-wannabe-rave craze. Same goes with Laz Casanova...when he was down here nobody cared about him, the minute MSTRKRFT became his pal and he moves to NY, everyone proclaims him the best DJ from Miami. Guess what, the dude is still a mediocre DJ. Miami still has better Dj's, but since they haven't received the blessing of a mega hipster Dj, or maybe they just aren’t cute enough, no one will ever care.

6. Everyone is doing the same thing, but there is no unity. (e.g. Poplife Vs Revolver)

7.Due to all this, it breeds HATING in the scene. No unity, no bonds... only divisions. This is also brought about by promoters burning bridges or trying to fuck each other rather than working together to create a stronger unified scene.

8. Finally, there is no real Music Scene in Miami. How many people have taken the time to check out local acts like Awesome New Republic (r.i.p.), Down Home Southernaires, Otto Von Schirach, The Waterford “fucking” Landing, Feathers, PG-13, Dino Felipe…etc??? How many outlets do these musicians have other than Churchill’s or opening up at hipster clubs like Revolver to have folks look bored until a DJ plays Justice Vs Simian for the 600th time.

Cowboy I agree with a lot of your statements. I do think Matt Cash is super talented, and wish more people saw. Then again, if Matt wanted more exposure I'm pretty sure he could move to a bigger venue if he wanted to. Any club/promoter would be lucky to have him. As for Lazaro, I still think he is equally as good.

The REAL question is: what is indie anymore? Arguably what is being played in the scene more is this electro-dance-house with of touch of rock stuff, a far cry from the Strokes/White Stripes/every other THE band that dominated the scene a few years back. Problem I think is people want to keep calling it indie when the indie scene is DEAD. There I said it... it's DEAD! To me, hipster is more a fashion movement than a scene. Indie, yes had a fashion sensibility to it, but it was about music first not fashion. So now that we've accepted that the indie scene is dead, let's move on.

Problem is Revolver and Poplife are still associated with a dead scene even though they've both moved on from that music. I think they need to disassociate themselves with the word "Indie" which is a vague word in itself, seeing how indie is not a genre of music.

Also Cowboy, shallowness is what makes Miami... well Miami. That ain't never gonna change, you just have to work around it or with it (it can always be used to a promoters advantage as well).
Ghost of Miami Nights Past
Enjoyed your points Cowboy...2,5, 7 especially-Though I do not think 8 is so true. Miami does have a music scene, but it is stiffled by some of the conditions you mentioned such as venue options. One of the biggest issues is still the fact that muscians basically play for free in this town and it's not worth the time in creating a naturally bigger, more supportive scene by that method. A stronger live music scene would happen naturally if more meney was to be made from shows but promoters and clubs usually profit while the musicians just "get the opportunity to perform."

Duran, you're right indie is a look and lifestyle these days. Indie music will always exist;in the sense that independent music will always thrive.

at one point a scene did come from this independent music and I have no doubt that there will be another rebirth form that aesthetic at some point.

Miami is shallow but not all the people in it are, and we like this city minus its superficial exoskeleton...
I think what all this comes down to is that there needs to be more of a divide. The shallowness that people visit miami for does nothing to benefit the locals. I hop ein the future there will be people who want to opn up more venues fo rth epople that live here to really be able to hang out and cultivate something more...

AND SERVE DRINKS AT A REASONABLE PRICE.

I said my friday peace...

At the end of the day, everyone seems to forget that first and foremost, that the club/concert hall is a business. The promoters, musicians, and patrons need to realize this at the end of the day. When the $25,000/month mortgage, $50,000 FPL bill, and workers' pay come due, 'doing it for the scene' isn't gonna cut it. Last time I checked, XYZ Mortgage doesn't accept drink tickets and free CDs.

Cost of living is outta hand here too, all the workers, as much as they might want to be, can't support a flagging night. At the end of the day, everyone's gotta eat. And the whole (for total lack of a better word) "indie"/whatever scene that you guys are talking about, is definitely not into paying for things. Like the original article stated. I'm involved in clubland in a tiny way, but as a matter of policy, I've never done business with the indie crowd, since the pay simply isn't there.

There's gotta be financial transactions happening, otherwise, your music scene will die. No matter what it is.
Wow. First i must say great post.
Second greats comment. (Thanks to that guy for mentioning me, it was very surprising and uplifting. It helps to know that someone out there listens and dosent discredit me for playing house)

About the thread. Miami is what is, and thats not going to change anytime soon. Remeber that no less the 7 years ago there was no indie anything in miami that was at least worth mentioning.

7 years ago thing in that area started to build up and slowly started to get a foot hold. Time where good, like when the rave scene started here. It was people there for the music. And the music was classic, good, and also new pushing you to new sounds and beats. Then the inevitable happened with anything that is GOOD. The word spread like wild fire. Things picked up, and more people started to show up, and then came the $$$$.
Once you started people start to realize money can be made and things change.
See people who were are not open to music, not open to being pushed on the dance floor (musically), poeple who (and this is more important the poeple give credit) DO NOT DANCE started to show. Some in all fairness like this different sound and started down the road everyone goes down of leanring and growing musicly. But a lot came cause Paris told them it was cool, and honestly because indie looks cool (i mean see a picture of hipster next to Rap picture and hipster win ((Rap is a dying breed, this does not mean hip hop)) and it win cause is the next new big thing.) People started to come cause it above all its NEW.
So what happend, new poeple come, $$$, starts to pile in, and the poeple making the money start to feel comfertable, and gain a new fear. the fear of losing the money. What does that mean, Once that fear come in the club stops growing. A dj plays a song that is new and people dont know they leave the dance floor pormoter freaks out, gets mad at the dj and start to tell the dj (who was a major part in the promter being where he is) to play different music. (Side note Larry Levan, considered to be one of the greatest dj to dj, the night he first played Teena Gardner "Heartbeat" , and accepted classic across the board, cleared the dance floor at the paradise garage, and not just once in the night but 3 time, and by the forth time that night everyone went crazy over the song)
So what happens the promter takes helm of the music, and the music dies. The same shit gets played over and over and over and poeple the people who made the promter leave, leaing behind hipsters.
Now there is NOTHING WRONG WTH THIS. It is the promoters night, and he can do what he wants, and have playing what he want, and that is FINAL. Whats great about our country it we dont have to go if we dont like it.
Now here is the problem, where to go if you dont like whats being played. Well in miami there inst much options. At least not during the weekend. See $$$ is wanted to be made. Clubs want to make money, promoter want to make money, so people start to follow the formula cause if it works once it will work again. New nights begin they start to make $$, and boom another generic indie dance night. Next thing oyu know they are all over the place, and the core crowed becomes cynical and you know what they do, they stop going out all together. Also there are so many "generic nights" that good one get lost in the BS. (rule of thumbs for me is, if the place is empty the night is great)
Case in point PS14 friday night with Matt Cash. I know people dont care to hear this and other do but he is a good dj. Yeah he pushes it and that is good. A night he got to play what he loved!!! Great GREAT music. No one came, well the people i liked came :) (He does a tuesday night i still think at PS14 that is of course solid)
The reasons go on and on cause there is no one reason why, but many that make the beast. But rest assured all thing pass good and bad. This will pick up and die, and pick up , and die.

But people remeber this Dance music is not meant to be smart music (although it surely can be), the main role of DANCE music is to make you DANCE. To qoute a famous line of a song "HOUSE IS A FEELING"

Many have made the comment, some to my face (which i respect) and many more behind my back (which I honestly say is cool) that my only problem when i dj is that i play too much house. Thats ok by me i love house and its many bastard children its span (well really disco started it all), and wht got me to where i am above all is that very simply I LOVE TO DANCE.

Poeple please starting dancing even if you dont know the song, let yourself move to the song and the next thing you know the song is moving you.

Peace
Saul D

PS People one more thing stop the hate. Start acting. Go support local acts, dj, and night. Push yourself, once a month go listen to music you dont normally do. (i suggest a good TECHNO night)
PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO DANCE. for real. not even good or anything, just need get over the self concious angst that holds you back.

haha. indie clubs not playin indie but still callin it that or whatever.
i say we call it "post-clash" or something cute like that (you know - for all that synthish grimy bass&clap DANCE music) we all love to dance to.
'not everybody understands house music. it's a spiritual thing; a body thing; a soul thing.'

:)
arielle you sound like a dirty hippie
Ghost of Miami Nights Past
This is by far the greatest discussion we have had on Miami Nights. So many good points, so many points I would like to argue (but someone did it before me). The fact is the "music", "dance", "house", "indie" or whatever genre of music you enjoy evolves. Things change whether you like it or not and if you like it you stay, if you don't you seek something else.

Change is good and if that means I have to roam around for a lifetime seeking music, people, venues and genres I enjoy then I will gladly do it. Let's embrace what Miami gives us (because we all live here), and explore something different if we don't like it.

Our commenter's/readers fucking RULE! Kisses to you all!!!!!! =)
I am the eggman
I thought this blog was blocked in China, Saul?

Anyways, did you catch that DJ at The Standard on Sunday that replaced Matt while he was in NY? Damn that guy was good.
it's a quote from some old house song that came to mind when reading saul's post. i'm not even really that into house. geez.

 



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